Can we please talk about this:
Steven Moffat has called into question calling Peter Capaldi’s incarnation the “Twelfth Doctor”.
Speaking in SFX magazine he says: “I’m just going to throw this continuity grenade back at Doctor Who fans and say, “You are all wrong!” He has never called himself the anything-th Doctor in the show.
“If the Doctor was a real person and walked in here, and you said, “Which incarnation are you?” he’d have to think, just as you’d have to think about how many houses you’ve lived in. He never thinks of himself as a numbered Doctor. The Twelfth Doctor means the twelfth actor to have played the lead in Doctor Who. That’s all it means. There is no such character as the Twelfth Doctor and never has been.
“It’s a long time into the show before any such nonsense ever comes up. It’s purely us lot, us fans, wittering on about calling him the Third or the Fourth Doctor – which is actually quite an unpleasant thing to do. It doesn’t feel right at all when you type that. I had to do that for the [50th] special. It was the Tenth Doctor, the Eleventh Doctor, and it felt like a betrayal, in a way. But what else could you do?
“Out of curiosity I looked at what they did in “The Five Doctors”. They didn’t number them at all. Do you know what they called them? The Hartnell Doctor, the Pertwee Doctor…” [x]
I’m sorry, but this really rubs me up the wrong way. Wasn’t there a conversation in the Time of the Doctor dedicated to clearing up this very thing? (A conversation in which The Doctor mentions “thirteen versions” of him, “thirteen silly Doctors”, and in which Clara clearly states that the man she’s talking to right now is “number eleven”.)
Doesn’t this mean that, yes, the whole numbering system does matter inside the show and isn’t just relevant to the sort of fans who are into this sort of thing?
And let’s not forget the “Eleven is the best, you’ll cry your eyes out” wank that Clara says at some point in series 7.
To me it just sounds like Moffat is constantly contradicting himself and always forgetting the shit he wrote himself.
Also, the Doctor tells Craig that he is the eleventh in The Lodger.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that. But it’s ironic to hear Moffat say that the Doctor has never called himself the anything-th Doctor, when the only times it’s happened (afaik) are on his watch.
What is he even on about? Of course we call them the Xth Doctor, because it’s waaay clearer than saying “When he had curls and the silly costume- no, brown curls. Yeah, that one”. We’ve been using the numbering for decades, I don’t understand why he feels there is a need to stop doing that.
Just like when the Doctor is called “Doctor Who” in media, it’s much clearer for everyone when it’s “Peter Capaldi is the next Doctor Who” instead of “Peter Capaldi is the next Doctor”.
"He doesn’t think of himself as X" doesn’t matter because he is a fictional character, and we are talking about him in the real universe. No one has ever claimed the Doctor has ever called himself the Xth Doctor, except yeah, in The Lodger.
I just don’t understand at all what Moffat is trying to say with all this. Yeah, we know that the numbering system is just for us fans. There is not a single fan out there who thinks the Tenth Doctor’s name is the Tenth Doctor or Ten. Has he been watching a lot of Classic Who lately and feels he’s made discoveries other fans aren’t aware of? Or is he trying to fix the mess the War Doctor brought in on the numbering? Though I suppose there isn’t much else he can talk about until the show starts airing again, anyway.
Ok, and just so we’re clear, I’m not holding this against Moffat or criticizing him. I’m just having trouble trying to figure out what he thinks this “revelation” is accomplishing, because it comes off slightly condescending.
//Wait, so is he trying to say we shouldn’t say the Doctor’s incarnations are different? Because they are. Yes, he is the same person with similar characteristics, but like Big Finish put it; “in different proportions”. There is no use pretending every incarnation is exactly the same and should be addressed as such. He is also not a real person, and some people prefer the acting or writing style some of the Doctor’s incarnations have had over others.
The British Film
IndustryInstitute announced today that projects wishing to receive funding must first meet industry guidelines designed to foster diversity both on-screen and behind the scenes. If money has to talk, at least it’s saying something useful for once.
The new diversity quotas will operate on a “three-tick” principle, and require participating productions to meet at least “two ticks” by showcasing a wider swath of socioeconomic backgrounds as well as disabled persons and individuals of different races and sexual orientations. In addition to qualifying productions for BFI funding, under the new measures producers who meet standards will have an opportunity to enter a lottery to fund greater diversity in their projects.
One can only hope America would get onboard with something like this!
This is definitely a step in the right direction.
The reason hate tags exist is so that people who DON’T hate the thing don’t have to see your bullshit. If you’re already tagging a hateful post, putting it in the positive or neutral tags seems both unnecessary and ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Poor 11th doctor
That’s because Eleven had a companion who was costumed for the male gaze, not for functionality. Poor Amy Pond.
See this post.
Slut shaming Karen Gillan and trying to cover it up by saying ’it’s still our patriarchal culture which thinks that hobbled women are sexy women’ in the tags is an automatic loss of argument.
It also confirms you are a colossal wanker.
How many times do those of us who actually like Doctor Who have to point this out?
KAREN CHOSE HER FUCKING OUTFIT
SHE HAD A LOT OF CONTROL OVER WHAT SHE WOULD WEAR
KAREN IS CLOTHED FOR HERSELF
KAREN IS A REAL LIVE PERSON WHO MAKES DECISIONS FOR HERSELF
STOP PATRONISING KAREN GILLAN FOR MAKING NORMAL DECISIONS AS A WOMAN YOU ARE BEING MISOGYNISTIC JUST TO EARN YOURSELF FEMINISM-POINTS
YOU ARE ACTING LIKE SCUM
THIS IS A NICE, CUTE FUCKING PICTURE AND NOBODY, NOT THE FANDOM AND CERTAINLY NOT THE ARTIST, SHOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOUR STUPID UNINFORMED BULLSHIT WHERE YOU TRY TO DEPRECIATE THE WORK OF A WHOLE CAST AND CREW OF WONDERFUL PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE OF YOUR BASELESS MISDIRECTED HATRED OF A SINGLE PERSON WHILST SIMULTANEOUSLY TRIVIALISING ACTUAL ISSUES IN SOCIETY AND DEALING HUGE BLOWS TO WHAT REMAINS OF THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF THE FEMINIST MOVEMENT
I know that it was Karen’s suggestion that Amy wear miniskirts. I say so in the tags of the post I linked to above. But there is no way in hell that she had the deciding vote on the issue. If Moffat didn’t agree with her, it wouldn’t have happened.
You seem to think that I’m saying a lot of things that I’m actually not saying, at least not in this series of posts.
I am not saying:
- anything about what Karen Gillan wears in her private life
- anything about Karen Gillan, for that matter, misogynistic or not (and by the way, criticizing a woman =/= misogyny. Criticizing someone because they are a woman = misogyny.)
- that women should never wear skirts
- that women should never wear sexy clothing
- anything about the overall quality of Doctor Who, or about the work of anyone who works on the show, other than Steven Moffat
Here’s what I am saying:
- Amy Pond, the fictional character, sometimes wears skirts that are too tight to permit her to run and jump.
- Amy Pond, the fictional character, is dressed that way in order to look sexy.
- Steven Moffat thinks it’s important that Amy Pond look sexy. (Actually I don’t say that explicitly in this post, but I do say it here.)
- I wish he didn’t think it was so important. (I don’t say that either, but it’s implied.)
- Our society thinks women look sexy when they are wearing clothes that infringe on their freedom of movement.
- I wish our society didn’t do that.
It is the nature of Tumblr that people see a post that makes them think of something else and they go ahead and add it to the post, which is what I did. If someone posts something, and assumes that no one will disagree or go off on tangents about it, they are being unrealistic.
As for “trivializing actual issues in society”, that’s just classic Derailing for Dummies: tell people they can’t talk about whatever issue they’re talking about because it’s not as important as that issue over there (which you yourself probably never spend any time talking about, anyway). So quit it.
Now, would you like to address anything I actually did say?
Also, STOP YELLING
IT DOESN’T GET YOUR POINT ACROSS ANY BETTER
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DO IT FOR PARAGRAPHS AT A TIME
Also, as you said, if Karen Gillan had wanted Amy to wear loose sweatpants and hoodies, her choice would most likely have been shot down. She almost didn’t get the job because she looked “wee and dumpy” on the audition video, but was hired as soon as she turned out to be “tall, slim and gorgeous” so I highly doubt they chose to pan up her legs in tights and a miniskirt or referred to her as “the legs” just because Karen wanted to wear that kind of clothing.
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The Leftovers, s1e04
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"I wear makeup for me!"
Yeah, I do. I do enjoy wearing makeup. But why do I enjoy it? Probably because I’ve been told my whole life that my value lies in my appearance, and so I have a vested interest in making that appearance ‘flawless’ by conforming to conventional beauty standards.
Fucking exactly. If you’re a feminist and you play the whole “I wear makeup for me” card you have to at least acknowledge WHY you wore makeup in the first place. WHY you felt the need to in the first place. Yes, its your choice to wear it but look at the reason it even exists. I wear makeup and can still acknowledge that it is a standard of beauty forced upon women by the patriarchy and is an industry thriving on women and the lack of self worth they feel because of men and societies standards.
This is true. Proven also in studies that women in makeup are seen as not only more attractive, but also more polished and professional. The right amount and application of makeup can help you succeed in the business world. Ain’t life grand?